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#1 2015-01-21 18:44:29

weegee9000
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From: Boston, Massachusetts
Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 2

Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

Remember 1.4? 1.4 was so much better. Everything was better in 1.4. Here is 1.4. If you don't remember, you did not have a childhood. You were not a child. You retroactively did not exist. Remember Shift-Click-R? It was a good trick! You're too young to remember. It was a good trick! We had obsolete blocks. You don't. Things were better then. Now all is lost, including hope, which is dead. We had: Nintendo games, bowling alleys, pizza parties, McDonalds, skating rinks, ice cream, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Elmer's glue, safety scissors, Tootsie rolls, Combos, swimming pools, O.J. Simpson, Green Day - We had Green Day. What do kids these days have? Nothing. 1.4 is over. All that's left is despair. The day 1.4 died, all joy died. This generation. They don't know. They don't know. Kids these days. Kids these days. This generation. They don't know. They missed out.

Seriously though, what are your opinions on the update to 2.0? I don't have too good of a reason, but I'm not a big fan of it. An online editor is cool and all, but I preferred the old offline editor with a darker theme; the new one is so bright it strains your eyes after working with it a while. I just don't know, but I haven't really been active with Scratch ever since 2.0.

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#2 2015-01-21 18:47:06

elfin8er
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From: PA
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 244

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

Yea, I miss the 1.x days. That's why we made these misc forums and our Skype group big_smile Also, although we don't have Shift-Click-R, we still have the source code, so there that... But in all honesty, I was hoping for a little bit more from 2.0. Everybody was so excited about cloud variables, but they're so limited! That and cloning are really the only two big things we got. Of course, a few things here and there, but that's about it.

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#3 2015-01-21 19:23:23

SpiffyFlanger
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Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 117

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

weegee9000 wrote:

We had: Nintendo games, bowling alleys, pizza parties, McDonalds, skating rinks, ice cream, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Elmer's glue, safety scissors, Tootsie rolls, Combos, swimming pools, O.J. Simpson, Green Day - We had Green Day.

This is, like, the most accurate description of 5 years ago that I've ever seen.


Do you plan on updating a ceiling fan in your home? What goals have you accomplished so far in 2012?

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#4 2015-01-21 19:27:58

elfin8er
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From: PA
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 244

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

SpiffyFlanger wrote:
weegee9000 wrote:

We had: Nintendo games, bowling alleys, pizza parties, McDonalds, skating rinks, ice cream, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Elmer's glue, safety scissors, Tootsie rolls, Combos, swimming pools, O.J. Simpson, Green Day - We had Green Day.

This is, like, the most accurate description of 5 years ago that I've ever seen.

My thoughts exactly!

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#5 2015-01-21 19:46:12

transparent
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From: ur mom
Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 44

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

i haven't really used 2.0 tbh so idk


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#6 2015-01-21 19:49:35

djdolphin
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From: Jersey
Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 20

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

I like the 2.0 program better, but the community seems to have gotten much n00bier. I also miss Shift-Click-R.


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#7 2015-01-21 20:01:00

transparent
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From: ur mom
Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 44

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

squeak! was a very intriguing language for me as it was unlike anything else ive ever worked on


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#8 2015-01-21 20:07:16

djdolphin
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From: Jersey
Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 20

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

sir wrote:

squeak! was a very intriguing language for me as it was unlike anything else ive ever worked on

Yup, me too


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#9 2015-01-21 20:16:43

elfin8er
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From: PA
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 244

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

I prefer ActionScript tbh.

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#10 2015-01-21 20:17:10

Slaymaker
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From: Texas (sometimes)
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 276

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

elfin8er wrote:

I prefer ActionScript tbh.

+1


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#11 2015-01-21 20:17:48

djdolphin
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From: Jersey
Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 20

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

elfin8er wrote:

I prefer ActionScript tbh.

Me too because I can actually code in it


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#12 2015-01-21 20:58:04

echs
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From: VA
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 34

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

All the cool scratchers left when 2.0 came out


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#13 2015-01-21 21:07:55

transparent
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From: ur mom
Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 44

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

i was a beta tester for it tho B)
and i found some big glitches in the forums where you could read the mod forum through the search function
and i reported it to lightnin like a good boy : - )


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#14 2015-01-21 21:39:19

elfin8er
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From: PA
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 244

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

Wasn't 2.0 leaked at one point?

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#15 2015-01-21 22:33:12

djdolphin
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From: Jersey
Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 20

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

elfin8er wrote:

Wasn't 2.0 leaked at one point?

Yep, the pre-alpha was. April, I found it on your website by typing random URLs. It wasn't very well hidden. I found it on my first try. >:)


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#16 2015-01-21 23:00:07

April
Princess de jure
From: Oregon
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 131
Website

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

djdolphin wrote:
elfin8er wrote:

Wasn't 2.0 leaked at one point?

Yep, the pre-alpha was. April, I found it on your website by typing random URLs. It wasn't very well hidden. I found it on my first try. >:)

I got it from someone who went to Scratch day. I wasn't, like, trying to hide it that much.

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#17 2015-01-21 23:18:13

elfin8er
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From: PA
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 244

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

April wrote:
djdolphin wrote:
elfin8er wrote:

Wasn't 2.0 leaked at one point?

Yep, the pre-alpha was. April, I found it on your website by typing random URLs. It wasn't very well hidden. I found it on my first try. >:)

I got it from someone who went to Scratch day. I wasn't, like, trying to hide it that much.

Where'd they get it from?

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#18 2015-01-21 23:37:46

April
Princess de jure
From: Oregon
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 131
Website

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

elfin8er wrote:
April wrote:
djdolphin wrote:

Yep, the pre-alpha was. April, I found it on your website by typing random URLs. It wasn't very well hidden. I found it on my first try. >:)

I got it from someone who went to Scratch day. I wasn't, like, trying to hide it that much.

Where'd they get it from?

The prealpha was shown at Scratch Day that year, and they wrote down the URL that the presenters showed the program from so that they could download it at home later.

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#19 2015-01-22 00:56:07

elfin8er
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From: PA
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 244

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

April wrote:
elfin8er wrote:
April wrote:

I got it from someone who went to Scratch day. I wasn't, like, trying to hide it that much.

Where'd they get it from?

The prealpha was shown at Scratch Day that year, and they wrote down the URL that the presenters showed the program from so that they could download it at home later.

Huh. It's almost as-if the ST didn't even try to keep it a secret... You'd think you'd have to at least login or something like in Beta...

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#20 2015-01-22 04:28:57

April
Princess de jure
From: Oregon
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 131
Website

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

elfin8er wrote:
April wrote:
elfin8er wrote:

Where'd they get it from?

The prealpha was shown at Scratch Day that year, and they wrote down the URL that the presenters showed the program from so that they could download it at home later.

Huh. It's almost as-if the ST didn't even try to keep it a secret... You'd think you'd have to at least login or something like in Beta...

It was just on a Scratch Team member's MIT server space, not something they'd think about people looking up.

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#21 2015-01-22 04:32:11

elfin8er
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From: PA
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 244

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

April wrote:
elfin8er wrote:
April wrote:

The prealpha was shown at Scratch Day that year, and they wrote down the URL that the presenters showed the program from so that they could download it at home later.

Huh. It's almost as-if the ST didn't even try to keep it a secret... You'd think you'd have to at least login or something like in Beta...

It was just on a Scratch Team member's MIT server space, not something they'd think about people looking up.

Well I mean they showed the url to a bunch of 12-year-olds. What did they expect would happen?

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#22 2015-01-22 04:49:45

April
Princess de jure
From: Oregon
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 131
Website

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

elfin8er wrote:
April wrote:
elfin8er wrote:

Huh. It's almost as-if the ST didn't even try to keep it a secret... You'd think you'd have to at least login or something like in Beta...

It was just on a Scratch Team member's MIT server space, not something they'd think about people looking up.

Well I mean they showed the url to a bunch of 12-year-olds. What did they expect would happen?

I believe it was only in sight for a short amount of time. I could be wrong.

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#23 2015-01-22 04:53:32

elfin8er
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From: PA
Registered: 2015-01-20
Posts: 244

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

April wrote:
elfin8er wrote:
April wrote:

It was just on a Scratch Team member's MIT server space, not something they'd think about people looking up.

Well I mean they showed the url to a bunch of 12-year-olds. What did they expect would happen?

I believe it was only in sight for a short amount of time. I could be wrong.

lol, but still. I write down a URL whenever I see one as soon as it appears no matter what it is xD

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#24 2015-01-22 05:12:01

nathanprocks
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From: Australia
Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 9

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

I found the 2.0 prealpha on some Scratcher's (can't remember who it was) page about 2.0 which I think was made with weebly. The download page was "private" and not linked anywhere on the website, but I looked at the robots.txt file and found it. I still have a copy of it somewhere. tongue

Scratch 1.4 was cool. I loved how I could easily modify it with Shift-click+R. It took me a while to get my head around Squeak, but it is a lot easier to modify than 2.0, which requires downloading the source code + dependencies, and compiling (which takes a lot of time to do). Another cool thing we had was Remote Sensor Connections.


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#25 2015-01-30 00:00:31

__init__
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Registered: 2015-01-21
Posts: 12

Re: Your opinion on Scratch 1.4 vs 2.0

I miss Shift-Click-R - in fact, that's probably the only thing I miss. 2.0 is so much better, with vector graphics, cloud data, in-browser editing, and made in a legible language. I mean, seriously? What is this?

addCommandIcons
    | t1 |
    super addCommandIcons.
    (#(#doForever #doForeverIf #doRepeat #doUntil ) includes: selector)
        ifTrue:
            [t1 _ ScratchFrameMorph skinAt: #loopIcon ifAbsent: [^ self].
            loopMorph _ ImageMorph new form: t1.
            self addMorphBack: loopMorph]

Also, really? Class browsers? Why can't we just skim through the code?

Overall, imo, 2.0 was definitely worth it.

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